Interview with Grant Cameron, UFO Researcher and Writer

 by Sabina England

 Grant Cameron DC hearing

Grant Cameron speaking at Citizen Hearing on Disclosure at the National Press Club in Washington, DC on May 3, 2013 (source: Shar Adams/The Epoch Times)

 

I was fortunate to interview Grant Cameron, a world-renowned UFO researcher, lecturer and writer. He is well-known in the ufology field, with over forty years of investigation work. He has given lectures in USA, Canada, and Europe on topics of the Canadian government’s early involvement in UFO research, disclosure politics, and Charlie Red Star sightings. He has been honored as Researcher of the Year at both Leeds UFO Conference in Leeds, UK and International UFO Congress. He just wrote a new book called Charlie Red Star: True Reports of One of North America’s Biggest UFO Sightings, which is available for pre-orders and will be released on September 5, 2017 (link).

 

CharlieRedStar bookcover GrantCameron 

 

The book examines witness sightings of unidentified flying objects seen in the night sky in Carman, a small town in Manitoba, Canada during 1975 and 1976. The sightings attracted much attention due to its unusual recurring appearances. Strange lights appeared in the sky almost every night, and many people, including Grant Cameron, witnessed them.

 

Carman MB map

 

Charlie Red Star was widely talked about and got much attention from the media. Below, you can view a news clip from 1975 which recorded the unusual lights and was broadcasted on Canadian television.

 

 

Grant’s new book includes testimonies from eyewitnesses, reporters, and photographers who saw Charlie Red Star. Being an UFO buff, I was extremely curious to learn more about the sightings, so I requested for an interview with Grant for Fresh Pulp Magazine to grok his mind for interesting information. It was indeed a very fascinating conversation, which left me wanting to know more!

SABINA ENGLAND:

Hello, Grant. Thank you for agreeing to do an interview for Fresh Pulp Magazine. For our readers who may not be familiar with your works, can you tell us a little bit about your background and how did you get involved in the UFO research field?

GRANT CAMERON:

I was a University student at the University of Manitoba in 1975 when a rash of UFO sighting began in the southwestern part of the province of Manitoba. After seeing articles in the local paper, I went with friends to see what everyone was looking at. One hour later, just as we were giving up on seeing anything, an object flew right in front of the car, slowly, and down close to the ground. After a second close sighting two nights later, I started to talk to people in the town as I had heard many people had seen it. I could not understand why no one was investigating.

SABINA ENGLAND:

Your new book, Charlie Red Star, recounts the incidents of UFO sightings witnessed by many people, including you, in the town of Carman in Manitoba, Canada in 1975 and 1976. What's really incredible about this case is that a lot of people saw those UFOs over a course of two years, which is unusual because most sightings are usually random and short. The unidentified craft(s) were described as fiery red, almost like a fireball, and disc-shaped, sometimes with a dome. For those who may be skeptical or question the validity of the sightings, were any possibilities of top-secret military technology, unusual weather phenomena, or any other plausible explanations ruled out?

GRANT CAMERON:

If the military was flying this very advanced technology, I would think that they would have won and not lost the Vietnam war against a bunch of people with nothing more than guns. Now 42 years later, the military technology being used without great success is still used to drop bombs on people. Why have we not seen open related technology 42 years later?

Secondly, if this technology was advanced U.S technology, why were they doing it in a civilian area in Canada when they have completely secure areas to test like the Nevada Groom Lake Facility? Why did they only test for a little over a year?

SABINA ENGLAND:

Regarding your comments about advanced U.S technology, what is your opinion of Philip J. Corso, a lieutenant colonel in the U.S Army who served in World War Two and the Korean War, claiming in his book "The Day After Roswell" that the U.S government developed advanced military technology from the recovered flying discs found at the Roswell crash site in 1947? I am not sure what to think of it and I would love to hear your thoughts on his allegations.

GRANT CAMERON:

The Corso material has errors but it fits a pattern of plausible deniability leaks. His leaks came on the 50th anniversary of Roswell (1997) and involved material found in a filing cabinet. On the 65th anniversary of Roswell, former high level CIA official Chase Brandon came forward with basically the same story. His claim was an archive box in CIA headquarters that had material confirming Roswell as ET. Now in the last couple months, the story is told that Trump was given a goodie bag that contained high tech UFO items that he could show off to captains of industry.

SABINA ENGLAND:

The Charlie Red Star sightings were located in Carman, Manitoba, bordered with the U.S border at North Dakota. I find it interesting that there were various missile sites in North Dakota, one of them very near the border. The United States built its first anti-ballistic missile site at the Safeguard Complex Missile site not far from the border, it opened in 1975 and then closed in 1976! Do you know if there was there any correlation between the opening and closing of that missile site with the Charlie Red Star sightings? Had any unusual sightings been reported at any of the missile sites in North Dakota?

 

ND Nuclear Site map

A map showing three nearest nuclear missile sites in North Dakota near Carman.

 

ND Pyramid AntiBallistic Missile Site

Safeguard Complex Missile Site, an anti-ballistic missile site in Nekoma, North Dakota. The site was built to shoot down incoming nuclear missiles from the USSR.

 

GRANT CAMERON:

Bob Diemert, who owned the airport at Carman, told me he had a discussion with a USAF pilot who told him they had been instructed to ram a UFO hovering over a North Dakota Missile silo. It’s not in the book but there was a major abduction of a woman by the name of Sandy Larsen and her daughter in 1975 just west of Fargo, ND. The location she gave for the encounter was within site of a nuclear missile silo. I investigated a case at Karlsruhe, North Dakota where three witnesses saw a small UFO come out of a missile silo.

 

Karlsruhe B 10

 Karlsruhe Deadly Force

(above two photos courtesy of Grant Cameron)

 

SABINA ENGLAND:

Do you have a theory for why UFOs would appear at these missile sites? What was their purpose or message for going there?

GRANT CAMERON:

When it comes to UFOs, I think it is all messaging. We are here. We are in control. We are concerned with the Nuclear missiles. The head man for the Canadian government (1950-1954) claimed to be a contactee. He said he was told that the only time they would step in is if there was a nuclear exchange...otherwise they will allow us to stew in our own juices.

SABINA ENGLAND:

During the sightings, did the Canadian government or military take any action? What was the reaction from the U.S military or government? Did any organizations like NICAP, MUFON or any well-known investigators came out to investigate the sightings? Did they try to initiate contact with the unidentified crafts?

GRANT CAMERON:

The USAF northern tier bases (Minot in ND, Loring in Maine, Wurtsmith in Michigan, and Malmstrom in Montana), according to NORAD documents released in 1976, showed that unidentified objects were hovering inside the weapon storage areas where the nuclear weapons were stored in 1975. There would have been action but what they did would have been classified and not accessible to the public.

If they did try and initiate contact, it would have been classified as well. We do know based on a 1967 speech given by Paul Hellyer when he was the Defense Minister that the Canadian government did attempt to get a UFO to land at a highly restricted Army base called Suffield in Alberta in 1954.

Dr. J Allen Hynek who headed up the Center for UFO Studies did visit the flap area while it was happening but his main objective seemed to be to get two copies of the famous CKY film that was shot in May 1975.

The local planetarium was investigating cases, and the main planetarium person was a representative of MUFON.

The main investigation was done by Bob Pratt at the National Enquirer. He spent a lot of time interviewing witnesses on tape and writing up reports.

SABINA ENGLAND:

The excerpt in your book and other articles online mentioned that people reported experiencing some kind of playful, mischievous tone from the UFO sightings. I find it difficult to imagine. From many accounts of UFO sightings or alien abductions, witnesses were always afraid, describing them as a frightening experience. Would you mind explaining about the playful tone of the Charlie Red Star sightings?

GRANT CAMERON:

This has to be seen in terms of history. People think that was happening now always happened. Nothing could be further from the truth. The UFO story is an unfolding series of patterned events like chapters of a book. Each chapter is different from the previous chapter.

In 1975, there really were no reports of abductions. There was the 1961 Betty and Barney Hill and their aliens with baseball-type hats. There was the 1973 Pascagoula abduction report with a weird creature and that was it. The famous Travis Walton story, where he was held for five days, did not occur until November 1975. It was that action by the non-human intelligence that caused the abduction story to go viral.

When people first are awakened to their "abduction" experience, they describe it as frightening. As they learn more and more about it, they come to realize that they imposed the fear into the situation.

Charlie was playful in that he just flew around, not appearing to interfere in anyone’s life. In April 1976, after shining flashlights at a UFO, a large object came and hovered over the car. I always described it as the scariest moment of my life.

Secondly, the sightings I collected were done in 1975. People who are "abducted" usually get awakened later. Most experiencers started to remember their experiences after the books Missing Time by Budd Hopkins, and Communion by Whitley Strieber. These books seemed to trigger memories on scores of people.

There were later indications that there had been abductions but they were never followed up on, because when main research was done, sightings and landings were the key things people investigated.

SABINA ENGLAND:

I can definitely see your point and I agree with you. About Betty and Barney Hill, I was just reading "Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience" written by Kathleen Marden and Dr. Stanton Friedman. They examined hypnosis sessions and dream recall sessions about Betty and Barney Hill's 1961 abduction experience. Betty at first described some of the aliens as friendly and engaging, but later in her recalls, she described them as frightening and she got scared. The experience defied logic for her and her husband, and they could not find any rational explanation for such an unusual experience, so for them, recalling the abduction became very frightening and strange. I guess that many people's first instinct upon seeing unidentified flying crafts or strange-looking creatures is to freak out and panic.

So anyway, your book implies that the Charlie Red Star sightings seemed to be deliberate, that the inhabitants of those crafts were trying to make their presence known to people in Manitoba, as if to say "hey, pay attention to us, we're here and we exist." It would raise questions from the public of whether we were really "alone" in the universe. Your book also suggests that these sightings could be interpreted as angelic or demonic phenomenon, depending on a person's religious belief and cultural background. Whatever it was, I find it strange that the sightings were very well-documented by the media in 1975 and 76 (there's even TV footage of the sightings) but today it's not very well-publicized or much talked about. Do you think there was a hush-up campaign trying to erase the visibility of the sightings and keep people ignorant about the case?

GRANT CAMERON:

All UFO phenomena is messaging - "hey, pay attention to us, we're here and we exist." Why do UFOs have lights on them? Do they need lights to fly across the galaxy? They have lights on them so you can see them. If you see a true UFO you are part of the game. When they abduct people, no one sees them, so they can move around undetected. Therefore when you see them, they are allowing it for a reason.

There are galaxies, stars, planets, oxygen, helium, and gravity in our part of the universe. These items appear to be in all parts of the universe. It appears to be a repeating pattern rather than random different things depending which direction we look. It is therefore not a stretch to believe that water, and intelligent life, and DNA exist as a part of the pattern all over the Universe.

There is an effort to both disclose and cover up by the government but most UFO stuff covers itself up. An example is the November 2015 statement confirming the reality of the UFO story by President Obama, "I gotta tell you, it’s a little disappointing. People always ask me about Roswell and the aliens and UFOs, and it turns out the stuff going on that’s top secret isn’t nearly as exciting as you expect. In this day and age, it’s not as top secret as you’d think."

No one, including those in the UFO community paid any attention to it. Everyone went on with their lives. In our 24/7 news world people have short attention spans.

SABINA ENGLAND:

Yeah, I find it incredulous there's quite a few people who have connections to the 1947 Roswell crash who have heard things from witnesses. I don't understand why more people aren't rushing toward them and asking for more information to be disclosed. I was at the UFO Festival in Roswell for the 70th anniversary and I saw Major Jesse A. Marcel's family; there were two elders who were young back in 1947 and they talked about Maj. Jesse Marcel and family receiving threats to stay silent about the photo op and fake weather balloon that replaced the UFO debris. Seriously, I was sitting there and thinking to myself, "wow, this is some amazing stuff." There's so much information out there that has leaked to the public and it amazes me how not enough people are demanding for the truth. I guess it's easier for people to ignore it all because then they wouldn't have to question everything we believe in and think about our place in the universe.

GRANT CAMERON:

Most people are busy making a living and driving their kids to soccer practice. It is not a money issue and so just an issue of curiosity. It is also generally believed that governments lie and cover-up and that people have no power to change that.

SABINA ENGLAND:

You are known for talking about consciousness in relation with the UFO field. Can you explain this?

GRANT CAMERON:

This is a long story. The short version is that if the materialistic belief paradigm is true, ETs can't get here from there as the distances are too great. There is, however, a great deal of evidence that we are being visited. Either millions of people are wrong about what they are seeing and experiencing, or there is a "mistake in the equation" of the materialistic paradigm.

The #1 open question in science is "What is the Universe made of? " I believe the mistake is that the physical universe is not primary. Consciousness is. This has been pointed out by many Nobel Prize winners who brought us the equations that give us most of our modern electronic technology. Two of the many that could be quoted are Neils Bohr who said, “Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real,” and Werner Heisenberg who said “The ontology of materialism rested upon the illusion that the kind of existence, the direct ‘actuality’ of the world around us, can be extrapolated into the atomic range. This extrapolation is impossible, however.”

Many high level people connected to the UFO phenomena have also hinted at the same thing. In a Top Secret Canadian government document dated November 1950, the Canadians reported that they had been told that "mental Phenomena" was connected to the flying saucers. Dr. Eric Walker, the former president of Penn State University, and Ben Rich, the former President of Lockheed Skunk Works both stated that ESP was a key to understanding how they get here.

ESP is non-local. Consciousness which is the ground of being in the universe is non-local. To understand the UFO mystery this non-local building block of the universe must be accepted as a starting point.

SABINA ENGLAND:

I find your response really interesting. I had recently read a fantastic book written by William Buhlman, a leading expert on out-of-body experiences. The book is called Adventures Beyond the Body: How to Experience Out-of-Body Travel. He was talking about the Einstein-Rosen Bridge theory (or known as wormholes) and both of these scientists, Albert Einstein and Nathan Rosen, proposed a theory of wormholes existing in parallel universes and that instead of taking a long straight way from point A to point B, one could jump through a wormhole to reach point B. In the 1960s, a physicist named Roy P. Kerr came up with equations proposing the existence of infinite parallel universes connecting to black holes that would extend to the past and the future simultaneously. Buhlman suggested in his book that maybe the existence of black holes and wormholes would point to evidence of a multidimensional universe that our souls (or conscious minds) would reach via an out of body experience, near death experience, and/or physical death. He pointed to examples of many civilizations, world religions, and cultures spanning over thousands of years speaking of an unseen world accessible by consciousness.

My next question… Paul Hellyer, the former Canadian Minister of Defense, is a self-proclaimed whistle-blower who had witnessed a few UFO sightings and discussed aliens visiting Earth. What are your thoughts on his release of information?

GRANT CAMERON:

Most of what Hellyer talks about are things he has heard from others. The two direct stories he brings are a discussion he had with a 2-star general asking about the reality of UFOs and non-human intelligences. That General told him "it is all true and more." The second testimony Hellyer collected was from a former director of Emergency Management in Canada dying from ALS. That person told Hellyer it was true, he had been briefed and he had been inside a downed craft at Area 51.

SABINA ENGLAND:

What is your scientific opinion on the existence of extraterrestrial life in the universe?

GRANT CAMERON:

There is extraterrestrial life in the universe. It will be as common as stars. I am less certain that the being visiting earth are strictly ETs. The better word would be ultra-terrestrials. Only beings that understand the oneness principle that all things in time and space are connected, and how consciousness governs reality, would be able to travel through the portal/gateways that are being used to move from one place in the universe to another.

SABINA ENGLAND:

Lastly, what are your future projects that you are working on that people can look forward to?

GRANT CAMERON:

I will be building up my WhiteHouseUFO YouTube channel with short videos doing just one question on each video rather than a two-hour lecture with such topics as Area 51, the Canadian government UFO story, did Trump get briefed, which Presidents saw UFOs. Apparently I also have to build a new website.

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You can pre-order a copy of his book at the following links. Kindle versions are also available. The book will be released on September 2017.

Amazon (USA)

Amazon (Canada)

Indigo (Canada)

You can read more about presidential disclosure at his website: The Presidents UFO Website

Additionally, you can follow his Facebook page to stay updated on his works and projects.

Open Minds Radio video interview with Grant Cameron about Charlie Red Star: 

 

 

Further reading (for those interested in the books I mentioned)

Betty and Barney Hill were the first documented alien abduction case. I highly recommend reading Captured! The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience, by Kathleen Marden and Dr. Stanton Friedman, which thoroughly examines their abduction recall, hypnosis sessions, dream recalls, and retraces the 1961 journey.

Adventures Beyond the Body: How to Experience Out-of-Body Travels, by William Buhlman is a very well-written book about astral projection and out-of-body experiences. Buhlman is a leading expert on astral projection, having faciliated workshops at the Monroe Institute. In this book, he examines the topic of astral projection in various world cultures and religions. He also brings some science into the concept of AP, examining various theories put forth by scientists. It’s a thought-provoking book that might make you think differently about dimensions, afterlife, and soul/consciousness.

The Day after Roswell, by Col. Philip J. Corso and William J. Birnes, a book released in 1997 on the 50th anniversary of the 1947 Roswell UFO crash. Even if you are skeptical of his claims, it’s worth reading his book. In some ways, the government is hiding the truth from us and I urge you to consider reading his book and think outside the box.

About the author
Sabina England
Author: Sabina England
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Sabina England is a filmmaker, playwright, performance artist and ASL poet. Some of her short films had screened at film festivals and galleries around the world. A few of her plays were produced in London's West End. She lives and works in the Midwest USA.